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		<title>By: Sarah Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofituniversityblog.org/2009/08/term-limits-for-nonprofit-boards/comment-page-1/#comment-2467</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A non-profit board on which I serve is struggling with governance changes and the length of time the President should serve.  Right now the organization has a President, Vice President, Treasurer, and Secretary as officers, plus other board members, and is considering switching to electing a president-elect for one year, who then becomes president for three years [the current term for President], and then follows as past-president for two years.  How common is this type of leadership structure in non-profits today?  Thanks for any feedback you can share.

&lt;strong&gt;Laura Otten&#039;s Response:&lt;/strong&gt;  It is not uncommon--say around 50%, perhaps a little less--for boards to elect a &quot;president-elect&quot; who serves one year in that position and then ascends to the presidency.  Three year terms for the presidency, however, is uncommon, particularly if it follows a year as president-elect.  And when an organization identifies a real role for the &quot;past president&quot; that is a term of service of only one year.  The proposed terms your board is currently looking at puts someone in a position of &quot;power&quot; and influence for seven years!  That is a long, long time.

This whole structure, however, regardless of the length of the terms, is fraught, and I&#039;d suggest that boards be very, very clear as to why they are selecting this route.  The purpose of a &quot;president elect&quot; position (whether it is called that or it is called &quot;vice president&quot; and that person automatically ascends to president) is to train the individual to be board president so that s/he can hit the ground running.  Great idea, don&#039;t get me wrong.  But if life changes over the course of that training year, two things may happen:  one, the individual elected to president elect may no longer be able, for a variety of reasons, to step up to the presidency.  (So, you absolutely need a contingency plan.)  Or, more importantly, the individual may be able to step up, but the situation of the organization has changed and the skills that the president elect is bringing to the table may not be the ones the organization really needs now.  And when you add to this picture that, with your proposed term limits, the person would be a president with the wrong skill set for three years, the organization has been done a huge disservice.  And we know that boards are notoriously bad at removing officers or board members who are no performing well.  Finally, the whole idea that a past president is hanging around with some official role (other than just &quot;regular ole board member) can be potentially very damaging.  If the individual turned out to be a bad president, why would we want him/her being able to continue to exert extra influence by having the honorific position of past president?  (And there is a difference between being a past president and granting that position official status and power.)  It becomes much more difficult for a new president, filled with ideas and energy that may not be in sync with the past president, to establish her/his own style, own dynamic, etc., when the past president is hovering there in an official capacity.  Finally, in your particular, proposed structure--a president elect, president and past president all having official roles/responsibilities for seven years--you are creating a dynasty, not a responsive, skilled-based leadership structure.  

Boards need to give this serious thought not just to who they bring on to the boards and for how long, but who they put in leadership positions and for how long.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A non-profit board on which I serve is struggling with governance changes and the length of time the President should serve.  Right now the organization has a President, Vice President, Treasurer, and Secretary as officers, plus other board members, and is considering switching to electing a president-elect for one year, who then becomes president for three years [the current term for President], and then follows as past-president for two years.  How common is this type of leadership structure in non-profits today?  Thanks for any feedback you can share.</p>
<p><strong>Laura Otten&#8217;s Response:</strong>  It is not uncommon&#8211;say around 50%, perhaps a little less&#8211;for boards to elect a &#8220;president-elect&#8221; who serves one year in that position and then ascends to the presidency.  Three year terms for the presidency, however, is uncommon, particularly if it follows a year as president-elect.  And when an organization identifies a real role for the &#8220;past president&#8221; that is a term of service of only one year.  The proposed terms your board is currently looking at puts someone in a position of &#8220;power&#8221; and influence for seven years!  That is a long, long time.</p>
<p>This whole structure, however, regardless of the length of the terms, is fraught, and I&#8217;d suggest that boards be very, very clear as to why they are selecting this route.  The purpose of a &#8220;president elect&#8221; position (whether it is called that or it is called &#8220;vice president&#8221; and that person automatically ascends to president) is to train the individual to be board president so that s/he can hit the ground running.  Great idea, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  But if life changes over the course of that training year, two things may happen:  one, the individual elected to president elect may no longer be able, for a variety of reasons, to step up to the presidency.  (So, you absolutely need a contingency plan.)  Or, more importantly, the individual may be able to step up, but the situation of the organization has changed and the skills that the president elect is bringing to the table may not be the ones the organization really needs now.  And when you add to this picture that, with your proposed term limits, the person would be a president with the wrong skill set for three years, the organization has been done a huge disservice.  And we know that boards are notoriously bad at removing officers or board members who are no performing well.  Finally, the whole idea that a past president is hanging around with some official role (other than just &#8220;regular ole board member) can be potentially very damaging.  If the individual turned out to be a bad president, why would we want him/her being able to continue to exert extra influence by having the honorific position of past president?  (And there is a difference between being a past president and granting that position official status and power.)  It becomes much more difficult for a new president, filled with ideas and energy that may not be in sync with the past president, to establish her/his own style, own dynamic, etc., when the past president is hovering there in an official capacity.  Finally, in your particular, proposed structure&#8211;a president elect, president and past president all having official roles/responsibilities for seven years&#8211;you are creating a dynasty, not a responsive, skilled-based leadership structure.  </p>
<p>Boards need to give this serious thought not just to who they bring on to the boards and for how long, but who they put in leadership positions and for how long.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofituniversityblog.org/2009/08/term-limits-for-nonprofit-boards/comment-page-1/#comment-2336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting! I am currently in the planning stages for 2010 and had proposed a term limits option. As a result the 20 year treasurer resigned effective immediately. Good Bad or indifferent, it was a shock and needless to say his mouth hasnt stopped flapping. Thanks to this I now have some &quot;arguments&quot; to justify the proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting! I am currently in the planning stages for 2010 and had proposed a term limits option. As a result the 20 year treasurer resigned effective immediately. Good Bad or indifferent, it was a shock and needless to say his mouth hasnt stopped flapping. Thanks to this I now have some &#8220;arguments&#8221; to justify the proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: David Nickelson</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofituniversityblog.org/2009/08/term-limits-for-nonprofit-boards/comment-page-1/#comment-1813</link>
		<dc:creator>David Nickelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change and growth are both spurred on by infusions of new or additional things, whether ideas, energy, or other needed resources.  Term limits, hard as they might be to implement, are a good thing.  What seems just as hard is developing a dignified and useful narrative and pathway that past members can absorb and follow in a way that takes advantage of their experience and talents but does not challenge the leadership and direction of the current members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change and growth are both spurred on by infusions of new or additional things, whether ideas, energy, or other needed resources.  Term limits, hard as they might be to implement, are a good thing.  What seems just as hard is developing a dignified and useful narrative and pathway that past members can absorb and follow in a way that takes advantage of their experience and talents but does not challenge the leadership and direction of the current members.</p>
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		<title>By: associationjam.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>associationjam.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Nonprofit University &#187; Term Limits for Nonprofit Boards...&lt;/strong&gt;

What is your opinion on term limits for board members and officers? Laura Otten, director of The Nonprofit Center at La Salle University, says: &quot;The debate on term limits has been waging for decades, if not centuries.  So, there is no “settled” ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nonprofit University &raquo; Term Limits for Nonprofit Boards&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>What is your opinion on term limits for board members and officers? </p>
<p>Laura Otten, director of The Nonprofit Center at La Salle University, says: &#8220;The debate on term limits has been waging for decades, if not centuries.  So, there is no “settled” &#8230;</p>
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